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Date Registered: 09-2008
Location: Gippsland
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Before I begin this rant I will say this:

Jalal - I understand your responsibility to suggest that all forum members abide by the laws and regulations applicable to them. However your current statement has compelled me to clarify my actions for the benefit of other members. If I were not accustomed to responsibilities such as this I would interpret your actions as antagonistic.


I seem to be repeating these words all too often, in more than one place.

I am not one to go and spend money and expend effort without doing my homework first.
I ALWAYS DO MY HOMEWORK!

I am aware of the legalities and have fitted an auxiliary switch, which is fed from the high beams and thus the relay. This setup is also mirrored for the driving lights.

When said lights were fitted, on fitting I had also researched the state laws and regulations for these.

I refer you to the following vicroads links regarding the fitting for such lights:

]Vicroads [sign in to see URL]

]Vicroads VSI10


While it was not the case when the pictures were taken during fitting, the lights do not face directly forwards..

This means that for my particular application, these lights classify as "Search Lamps"
Intended for temporary use, such as reading signs. EG: spotting marker poles while stationary.
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For temporary illumination during vehicle maintenance or repairs - EG: fitting snow chains.

It is a pleasant side effect that these provide better visibility in foggy conditions.
However no intention was expressed regarding their use on public roads.

What was commented was that they may be used to identify orange marker poles on Mt Hotham. One does not need to be moving in order to do this.

To reiterate the important facts:

In my current configuration, (not depicted in my photos) these lights are not facing directly forwards.

This means that including my driving lights, I in actuality, only have a total of 6 main driving lights. Which complies with Vicroads standards.

They still indeed require a separate switch and must be interconnected to the dip switch. They must not be used on highway use; and this was never my intention.

As I do a fair amount of offroad use in foggy conditions whilst hunting, ON PRIVATE LAND.
Which I might clarify, is not public roads, and therefore not vicroads jurisdiction.

Having fog lights like this is of great benefit to me when shooting on crown land, as I can correctly identify perimeter signs and other dangerous features. Not to mention, the terrain beyond my target (usually rabbits) that may be hazardous to point a firearm at.

I feel that I have done my best to adhere to all I am required to do in order to comply with the laws and regulations.

I would like to point out that in every project that I embark on, my first step is research.
this saves a great deal of time, money and effort. Secondly, If I did become unsure about the legalities of any project at any point, I would not make the details of said project public.

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quote:

Dranoweb wrote:
As I do a fair amount of offroad use in foggy conditions whilst hunting, ON PRIVATE LAND.
Which I might clarify, is not public roads, and therefore not vicroads jurisdiction.



Thanks for clarifying this point which was absent in your previous postings, hence my feedback.

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Date Registered: 06-2005
Location: Barossa Valley
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Another point with driving lights is that they can only be fitted in pairs ie 2 or 4 & they must be fitted at the front of the vehicle (this means at the front of the bonnet) mounted on the roof in an Exy is not at the front of the vehicle.

The light must also work in conjunction with your Hi beam lights.

There is also a law that any light mounted on a vehicle must work, so you cant have them fitted but disconnected.

If you are in an accident & it is proved that illegal lights (or anything else not road legal) contributed to the accident then your insurance will be void

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Date Registered: 05-2012
Location: Sunshine Coast
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"Another point with driving lights is that they can only be fitted in pairs ie 2 or 4 "

I wonder how they would cope with the Rover 75 which had a single spotlight in the centre of the grill with its own switch not slaved to the (foot operated) high beam?

That car was almost the peak of attainable luxury in 1951 (or thereabouts) The centre spotlight was both big and brutal - for the era.

Edit: i.e with the single spotlight = 3 lights total => bureaucratic spin-out?



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Date Registered: 01-2013
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Given the hyper rails have lights, is there not any grommet/access hole to suit roof mounted lights within the roof without having to drill?

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Nope there isn't. but with the hyper rails and other roof mounted lights on the T31 you can run the wiring through the back behind the tail lights without having to drill anything.

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Date Registered: 11-2010
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G'day all,

So I've just finished reading all 4 pages of this topic and have the following questions.

I'm considering installing x3 LED lights to my roof basket. A single 42" LED Lightbar and the front of the basket, and two small square worklights (haven't exactly decided on the type yet) to be fitting in the rear left and right of the basket on a swivel point of some sort.

Questions:
LED Lightbar - Do I have to wire this light via a relay and therefore into the hi-beam. I simply want the lightbar to come on (when travellilng off-road), at the flick of a rocker switch (all appropriately fused and correct gauge wiring of course).

Squre Worklights - My intent here is to wire them to a 3-way rocker switch (on-off-on). One on position will be wired to the start battery and the other on position will be wired to my auxillary battery. I know there is no real question in that statement, but should a relay be used?

Now for a dumb question.

Why do we use relays ? Is it because, simply put, we want our auxilary lights (driving, LED, Fog) to come on when the headlights are turned on ? Why can we not just create a simple circuit (ie: a power source (battery), load (light), switch, and fuse ?

It may seem like a dumb question, but I'm at work on an overnight shift for the second night in a row and I have had about 4 hours sleep, with a teething 10 month old and an energetic 5 year old at home.

Be gentle with me...

Griz.

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Your relay is basically a switch that will handle the current going from the battery to the lights, so you don't damage the original wiring, switch or fuse. You'll still need a switch to be able to isolate your light bar from your hi beams, and also your simple circuit with the power to close your relay coming from your hi beam wire. Also by keeping the wire from the battery to the relay to the lights under the bonnet as short as possible, you reduce the risk of the wires rubbing through and short circuiting. Check out the 4WD Supacentre web site. I have one of their 22" light bars and they are great and affordable. Some come with wiring kits, or can be purchased separately.
You can create a simple circuit separate to the hi beams with its own switch, but depending on the current draw of the lights, a relay will handle the current load better and the switch won't be damaged.

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Date Registered: 05-2014
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Regarding the wiring side of the installation, I still have my doubts on how the wires are passed through the roof to the inside of the car. That is the only step I have left on my installation (pretty much the most important one).

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Once you run the wires down the side of the windscreen glass you need to feed them into the engine bay and then use the access hole in the firewall to bring the wires inside into the cabin. The firewall access hole can be see just above the brake pedal and there is another one on the passenger side behind the glovebox.

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